It’s pretty predictable. In a large a majority of cases, if you tell someone who is a churchgoer that you’re an atheist, you get a reaction like you had told them that you practice Satanism.
Christians have been taught to equate atheism with evil. There is absolutely no rational reason for this – there is no history that supports or illustrates this association. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for religion. Still, most God-believers attach a stigma to atheism.
The truth is that atheism is nothing more than a non-belief in spiritual, mystical, and mythical beings. It is not a credo of violence and evil. Atheism means rationality and belief in science over mysticism and “religious faith”. We don’t promote Satanism. In fact, we don’t even believe in the existence of such a being.
If you look at history, you’ll find that since the dawn of civilization, religious organizations have been responsible for some of the worst actions imaginable. In particular, Christianity, in a large part Catholicism, has been responsible for untold evils done in the name of God. The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, violent, forced “conversion” of peaceful native civilizations, genocide, supression of scientific research, and witch hunts are responsible for untold numbers of people being tortured and killed. Jesus’s message of loving ALL people has been ignored by Christians for almost as long as Christianity has existed.
Additionally, the Catholic Church has harbored hundreds of pedophile priests who have abused thousands of children. I cannot blame the Church for the actual abuse, but they have attempted to cover up the actions of these perverts, moved them to new parishes where they abused additional children, made legal settlements with sexual victims dependent on gag orders, and have instructed parishes not to report the priests to the authorities, but instead refer them to the Catholic authorities for “rehabilitation”. Not reporting pedophiles to the local authorities is bad enough. But putting them in a place where they will undoubtedly abuse other children makes the church as responsible as the priest. There isn’t a rational person alive who would not call these actions evil.
On the other hand, none of these types of activites can be attributed to secular humanist organizations. So why is there so much hate of atheists by religious groups? The answer is pretty plain – religious leaders are afraid that if their followers are more exposed to rational reasoning, that they might actually start thinking for themselves, and realize that they don’t need someone else telling them how to live. Most religious leaders, in my opinion, are more interested in their own stature, power, and importance than the salvation of their followers. So they label any idea that threatens their power as evil, those that believe in in as enemies, and attach a stigma to it that puts it out of the reach of the “faithful”.
The sad truth is that if you look objectively at historical events, you’ll find that in reality, it has been the religious organizations, not atheists that have been responsible for a good deal of the evil activity of the past.
So please, don’t judge me for my beliefs (or lack of them), judge me on my actions towards others, which in many cases, are more “Christlike” than a lot of people who call themselves Christians.
Take a look at the humanitarian efforts put forth by secular humanist organizations. Their morality is driven by a love of people, not a fear of the wrath of God. It’s time for everyone to realize that there can be good without God.
In the video below, Stephen Fry does an excellent job of illustrating some of the points I made. Please watch it with an open mind. And PLEASE understand that no personal offense is intended in this post or the video below.
The Intelligence² Debate – Stephen Fry (Unedited)
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Filed under God and Religion by nicholas
The last few months of blogging and Facebook debates have been a real roller coaster ride. The responses have ranged from amorphous confusion, to intellectually challenging, to patronising evasion, to ranting hate speech – the sum total of which is rather eye opening.
It never ceases to amaze me how emotional people get about something they didn’t invent and have no responsibility to defend, as though saying something like: “The creation myth is far less likely to have occurred than the possibility of biogenesis followed by evolution through natural selection” could be interpreted to mean: “You’re really stupid and your character is seriously flawed!!” Of course there are people who fit that description, but those traits can be found in Theists, Agnostics and Atheists alike. When I propose an idea, I am simply hoping to get some rational response with underlying reasons for why people agree or disagree – quite simple really… one would think.
I am particularly fascinated by people who say, “I’m not religious – I just love God”, or the Charismatic favourite, “It’s not about religion – it’s about relationship” – a relationship that results in weekly temple attendance, weekly bible studies, prophetic-intercessory-worship meetings, daily devotionals, blessing of homes, religious marriage-baptism-funeral ceremonies… how stupid of me to call it a religion! “Of course, anyone else that does any of that stuff is certainly religious – what we do is relationship because our God is actually real” – ah, I must have missed that very crucial piece of the puzzle…!
So in the spirit of calling apples, apples, and to settle the debate about whether or not what you’re doing is religious…
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YOU MAY BE A RELIGIOUS FANATIC IF
- You think God cares what banners or objects you hang in your church auditorium.
- You thing God cares if you understand how the Trinity works.
- You think God favours your church above everyone else’s.
- You would kill for God if you really believed he was telling you to do so.
- You think there’s a lake of fire somewhere in the universe called ‘Hell’ where most people (except those in your church) will be spending an eternity in spirit form crying in agony and gnashing their teeth!
- You think there’s a calm and white place in the universe called ‘Heaven’ where God sits on a chair (possibly tired from standing) and you’ll be going there in spirit form when you die to be very blissful and sing a lot about how great God is for saving you and a few others.
- You believe that God has a prescribed way for people to dress and live and love and cohabitate and have sex – and it’s your way.
- You believe that no one should ever dare question the existence of your God or the reasons why you believe because doing so would result in a great smiting upon that individual by God, and if God’s not quick off the mark you’ll be happy to do it for him.
- You believe that the best way to live is by faith and not intellect. If you can believe something without evidence, it is bound to be more real than believing any silly evidence that may be presented. After all, it’s those Atheists and Scientists (spawn of Satan) that are always asking why, why, why?!!?!!?
- You know how to deal with sceptics on Facebook… just ignore everything they’re saying and respond with something that will move their heart like, “It’s not about religion brother, it’s about relationship”, or, “what happened to you my brother? God still loves you”, or, “I’m praying for you”. That’ll show em!!
- You only watch God TV, only read books from CUM bookstore and have Hillsongs playing on your radio 24 hours per day – either to keep the demons away or more probably to make sure you don’t hear or see anything that might shake your immovable faith…
- You feel guilty when you don’t wake up in time to get to church on Sunday.
- You’ve been trying to ’save’ your husband for 10 years but he’s somehow always happier than you are.
- You can’t speak to non-Christians because… well… you just can’t.
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YOU MAY BE A RELIGIOUS FANATIC IF you actually believe any of the following:
- That every living species of animal made its way, in pairs, to Noah’s house, and survived the journey – then somehow fitted onto a large boat and survived several weeks at sea – then left the boat and moved out into the world, previously flooded, and survived long enough to have offspring – and that every marsupial found their way (across the ocean) to Australia, not stopping anywhere along the way to inhabit any other part of the world, however no other animal decided to take that journey – and that the world’s population started from scratch again after the flood even though we know that Egypt was already in its 5th dynasty (at least) at this time, not to mention the Minoans or Ancient Greeks or Chinese…
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That an all knowing, all powerful, all good, all loving God
- Created the devil.
- Licensed Joshua to perform genocidal exterminations of every living man, woman and child of at least 7 people groups.
- Allowed Solomon to have 1000 wives but sends modern day polygamists to hell.
- Destroyed two whole cities because of their sexual choices, not to mention turn an innocent woman into salt for the abominable crime of looking around.
- Was responsible for more killing, smiting, punishment, judgment, censorship and changing of rules than any of the most evil dictators of history, if the bible is to be believed…
- Answers your prayers about: your football team winning; which job to take; getting that new car; or how to forgive some poor sod who doesn’t know they did anything wrong – but can’t feed a dying child in the Sudan; or save a drowning child in Haiti; or heal a friend with AIDS – quite selective really.
- That the end of the world is coming soon and that all the conflict happening in Israel and the Middle East is all just God preparing to return to finally judge all the evildoers so that the good guys can get on with living forever in Heaven – and if there’s anything you can do to make it all happen a little quicker you’ll be delighted to help out. After all, who cares about all the Arabs and Muslims dying and suffering, it’s all part of God’s loving and generous plan for mankind who he made in his image.
It strikes me that it’s pretty hard to be religious and NOT be a fanatic! All the rules (of all religions) require faith-based obedience. The only way to keep from becoming a suicide bomber is to hang onto the ‘good’ bits of your religion and flatly ignore the embarrassing, illogical, insane parts.
Looking forward to your responses!
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by Deon Barnard
This article has been a long time in coming and is the result of many hours of internal struggle, research, comparison and discussion. Four years ago I physically left the church – about four years before that I was already putting aside faith for reason. During these last four years I have tried not to categorize my religious views with any labels, partly because I needed to assimilate the full depth of understanding what terms like ‘Atheist’ actually meant and partly because I still carried an aversion, implanted by the system, to many of these labels – after all, I had always thought that being an Atheist was synonymous with being allied with Satan (as do most religious folk) – and when you’ve been led to believe your whole life that something is “bad” it’s pretty hard to throw off that conviction. Until now I’ve stuck with the safe categorization of “Agnostic” (someone who doesn’t believe there is enough evidence to prove the existence of God), and I took the safe and simple approach of, “you worry about your life and I’ll worry about mine”, i.e.: Let’s agree to disagree – or – You go ahead and do your religious thing and leave me in peace. I no longer hold this view. I will now actively oppose religion and am relieved to be able to call myself an Atheist, or Anti-Theist. I will discuss why this approach is necessary after I give a better understanding of a few terms and concepts that will help readers digest what I am saying.
Let’s start with defining the terms Theist, Atheist, Agnostic and Faith.
- A Theist is someone who believes in a god or gods, i.e. God exists in reality.
- An Atheist is someone who does not believe that a god or gods exists, i.e. God is not real and does not exist.
- An Agnostic is someone who thinks that God cannot be proven or that we cannot know God, i.e. there is no evidence for God.
- Faith is the act of believing without any requirement for evidence or proof. With evidence or proof there is no need for Faith because we have Knowledge – so Faith can be substituted for Knowledge in the absence of evidence.
It is not uncommon for people to be Agnostic-Theists, i.e. someone who doesn’t really claim to be able to prove God but believes in God anyway for reasons other than evidence and faith. It also makes sense that you could be an Agnostic-Atheist, i.e. someone who does not believe in God because of the lack of evidence. In all my travels and dealings with Christians and other religious people around the world I have noticed two main distinctions; I will call them True-Theists (Believers) and Agnostic-Theists (Religious by convenience). My opinion is that the majority (more than half) of all Christians are Agnostic-Theists rather than True-Theists. These are people who attend church and adhere to all the trappings of their religion because of the personal benefits like: a sense of belonging; acceptance; acceptability; community support, comfort, friendship, financial aid, status, opportunities etc. – all good attributes of the church, but none of which make it true, or right. These people don’t really believe that all Earthly languages originated from the tower of Babel; or that every species of animal lived in walking distance from Noah’s house; or that Daniel really stayed overnight in a pit of wild, untamed and hungry Lions and survived – in fact they don’t really think much about God at all; they simply choose to adopt the mantle of Christian because it’s working for them, and being anything else would damage their reputations, relationships and other aspects of their lives. If you’re one of these people, this article is for you! On the upside you already think rationally and suspect that everything you stand for is based on mythology and superstition – on the downside you think that all the good stuff about church adds enormous value to your life and is irreplaceable – hopefully I can convince you otherwise.
To the other group, the True-Theists, there is little I can do to change your minds, mainly because you’re not using your minds. No amount of evidence or science or history will convince you that your belief is misplaced. You believe through sheer blind faith, (faith is blind by definition), that: there is an invisible being in a place called Heaven; which we can’t see or find until we die; who has declared you sinful from birth; and will throw you into hell if you don’t acknowledge him unquestioningly; and yet who loves you “unconditionally”; and who is somehow influenced by your particular choice of words in prayer; who allows confusion and faithlessness and hunger and disaster on the Earth for reasons you don’t fully understand; and who cares who you have sex with and how; and who judges your sin even in your mind and while you sleep; and “came to earth” on an arbitrary day in history to a dry Roman province via a virgin, so that in dying, somehow getting to heaven would be easier than it was before… hmmm.
I was a believer for many years – passionate about my Faith, as I am passionate about everything I do. I remember ridiculing Jehovah’s Witnesses for being closed minded and not open to rational conversation – armed with their nonsensical “proofs” from their nonsensical “Bible”. I now understand that I was exactly the same! Think about it; if I were to ask the average believer what would convince them that God does not exist, they would say, “Nothing! I’ll never stop believing.” and yet they have the cheek to call Atheists stubborn and closed-minded, when in fact most Atheists could easily give a list of things that would make them convert on the spot if they were to occur. I’ll write another article on this point. I can only hope you come to your senses before you’ve wasted your whole life avoiding the freedom of truth and causing further carnage in the world… which brings me to the crux of this article – why religion should be opposed.
I’m speaking again to those that feel, “Why do Atheists get so hung up about people’s religious choices? Just live and let live. Some well meaning person who attends church every Sunday and gives to the poor isn’t hurting anyone, so let them follow their religion of choice!” This is a view I have shared for some time but I have come to realize that it is naïve and irresponsible to think this way. Religious belief on a micro scale (if it were confined to a handful of people on a deserted Island) may not have any great negative impact on the world other than the personal self deception involved, but we don’t all live on our own island – each individual believer supports a system of control and manipulation which, on a macro scale, becomes an extremely negative force in the World. Let’s look at a few simple examples:
A kind-hearted and conscientious Muslim man goes to Mosque and says his prayers as required. He never hurts anyone and always gives to the poor and supports his local Islamic initiatives, believing that he is pleasing God in doing so. Him and millions of others feed energy and finances into a system which advocates violence and the killing of infidels in its core scriptures; and although they are not personally involved in such matters and prefer to interpret their scriptures more figuratively; their church is involved in a holy war against Christians which results in flying jet planes into civilian buildings in New York killing thousands. Is our man innocent in this? Can he claim that he had nothing to do with it? All this for a myth of a myth that doesn’t exist.
A devout German Christian believes in a loving god in heaven and wants to please him. He has come to understand that to please god you have to please your leaders in Christ. He loves his God and his country and is willing to defend both from any unbeliever that would dare challenge the status quo. The new leader of his country, Adolf Hitler, a man of passion and faith has inspired him to join the army to do just that. He comes to realize that Germany is a holy nation surrounded by unclean nations that must be brought into the fold and tamed. He says goodbye to his wife and kids who he loves dearly to go and do his duty for God and country in the concentration camps where they are making sure that the evil influence of Jews and other unclean races is controlled and quelled. He knows that he will be rewarded for his loyalty in the afterlife if not in this life. He is a “good” man. The kind of “good” man you see in churches everywhere.
Religions on a macro scale (which are the accumulation of millions of individuals believing), have been responsible for:
- Countless wars, including the Muslim/Christian Crusades; the Catholic/Protestant wars of Ireland, the U.K., France, Sweden and Poland; the Taiping rebellion in China; Islamic violence in the name of Jihad; the Muslim/Hindu wars of India; the Buddhist/Tamil war in Sri Lanka; the countless wars between the Jews and everyone else; and the list goes on ad nauseum.
- Religious genocide in Europe (Jews), Rwanda, Bosnia, Iraq, U.S.S.R and many other places.
- The repression of women everywhere.
- Resisting (often violently) scientific progress, as well as the persecution of great thinkers for thousands of years.
- Witch hunts and inquisitions resulting in the torture and deaths of thousands of innocent people in Europe.
- The dilution of quality education in schools everywhere to make space for meaningless religious activities that promote mysticism and superstition instead of enlightenment and human solidarity.
- Human sacrifice, slavery and mutilation such as female circumcisions in initiation ceremonies.
- The distortion of historical facts and our place in the universe.
… to name a few!
So you still think religions are good for the world? Or maybe you think that your happy clappy Christian church feeds the poor and teaches people how to be good citizens, so you have nothing to do with the above list? Well here’s a news break – if all that carnage above didn’t exist, neither would your church; and if all your churches didn’t exist, neither would the carnage on the list. Christopher Hitchens is right when he says, “Religion poisons everything”. It’s time for humanity to wake up, throw off the ancient myths of our infancy and grow into the evolved, awake and conscious species that we can be. If we direct the energy and resources that we currently use to maintain our meaningless religious structures and use them for science and progress we could be travelling to the stars in our lifetime. Every good thing you’re doing in your churches in the name of “God” can be done without needing to believe in nonsense at the same time. “But what about fellowship and belonging” you ask? Well join a gym; a golf club; a neighborhood board game group… whatever – there are a million ways to make friends with people who share interests in the real world instead of a shared belief in an invisible friend in the sky.
I look forward to your comments and abuse.
For more of Deon’s work, visit his blog at http://deonbarnard.net
Filed under God and Religion by nicholas
It seems very clear to me how religion must have developed. Just think about early man – facing the rage of nature in the form of thunder, lightening, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. Since they didn’t have the technology to understand things, they attributed these fantastic occurances to some higher being that controlled the earth – god.
Some of the smarter people of that time saw that they could achieve a higher standing in society if they claimed to be able to talk to god. So we have the first “clergy”. So it’s pretty evident to me that religion was born out of simple human nature – some have the ability to lead, while most are content to follow along with everyone else.
What really mystifies me is that now that we have the knowledge that totally disproves the whole Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve myth, that so many people choose to ignore those scientific facts. I can understand believing in a higher being. But what I can’t understand is why people insist of clinging to these ancient stories that fly in the face of what we know. This is the thing about religion that I find most interesting – that otherwise intelligent people can ignore what they know to be true, because they feel the need for spiritualism. Why haven’t religions evolved like society has? It doesn’t seem natural to me.
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